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		<title>By: amy wallace</title>
		<link>http://www.naturemoms.com/blog/2009/05/14/the-anger-toward-the-anti-vaccine-movement/comment-page-1/#comment-116949</link>
		<dc:creator>amy wallace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 21:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those who have never had a negative experience can balk all they want but you can&#039;t argue w/ experience!!  i have 4 children on the spectrum.. the older 2 are worse because of vacc. them. the younger 2 are far better.  we use therapeutic grad essential oils from Young Living and we NEVER have any issues.  America needs to wake up!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those who have never had a negative experience can balk all they want but you can&#8217;t argue w/ experience!!  i have 4 children on the spectrum.. the older 2 are worse because of vacc. them. the younger 2 are far better.  we use therapeutic grad essential oils from Young Living and we NEVER have any issues.  America needs to wake up!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Karina</title>
		<link>http://www.naturemoms.com/blog/2009/05/14/the-anger-toward-the-anti-vaccine-movement/comment-page-1/#comment-108992</link>
		<dc:creator>Karina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 18:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Sherrie. I have checked that website, and there is only one doctor in the whole of NYC listed there and kind of far from us. ): But thanks for thinking of us</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Sherrie. I have checked that website, and there is only one doctor in the whole of NYC listed there and kind of far from us. ): But thanks for thinking of us</p>
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		<title>By: Sherrie</title>
		<link>http://www.naturemoms.com/blog/2009/05/14/the-anger-toward-the-anti-vaccine-movement/comment-page-1/#comment-108952</link>
		<dc:creator>Sherrie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 05:24:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karina, 

 i don&#039;t know if it lists any in your area but i went on to the dr.sears site and on one of the pages where it talked about vaccines it listed vaccine friendly pediatricians that&#039;s how i found mine. Also you could try contacting a local childrens chiropractor or midwife and see if they have any reccomendations (if they are able to)

good luck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karina, </p>
<p> i don&#8217;t know if it lists any in your area but i went on to the dr.sears site and on one of the pages where it talked about vaccines it listed vaccine friendly pediatricians that&#8217;s how i found mine. Also you could try contacting a local childrens chiropractor or midwife and see if they have any reccomendations (if they are able to)</p>
<p>good luck!</p>
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		<title>By: Karina</title>
		<link>http://www.naturemoms.com/blog/2009/05/14/the-anger-toward-the-anti-vaccine-movement/comment-page-1/#comment-108922</link>
		<dc:creator>Karina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 20:18:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello, great discussion. I am also one of those parents who has done a lot of research into vaccines and has chosen to delay them until my son is older (I do breastfeed him still and he is now 16 months old) and also not to do ones that I consider unnecessary (such as chicken pox, flu). We have just moved to Park Slope, Brooklyn and I am looking for some recommendation on a doctor who would be ok with an alternative vaccination schedule. If any of the non-vaccinating parents who posted here are from Brooklyn, I would very much love to hear your recommendations. Such info is hard to come by, because I do not usually share my vaccination choices with people I meet (for obvious reasons, as proved by this discussion). Thanks in advance. I will come back and check the comments. Also, just a note on the initial post and the show that it discussed, I just checked the American Academy of Pediatrics 2007 schedule (as per Sears&#039; book and MMR vaccine does not come recommended before a year of age anyways, so anybody&#039;s 11 months old baby is unprotected!!!! So what was this show all about?????)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello, great discussion. I am also one of those parents who has done a lot of research into vaccines and has chosen to delay them until my son is older (I do breastfeed him still and he is now 16 months old) and also not to do ones that I consider unnecessary (such as chicken pox, flu). We have just moved to Park Slope, Brooklyn and I am looking for some recommendation on a doctor who would be ok with an alternative vaccination schedule. If any of the non-vaccinating parents who posted here are from Brooklyn, I would very much love to hear your recommendations. Such info is hard to come by, because I do not usually share my vaccination choices with people I meet (for obvious reasons, as proved by this discussion). Thanks in advance. I will come back and check the comments. Also, just a note on the initial post and the show that it discussed, I just checked the American Academy of Pediatrics 2007 schedule (as per Sears&#8217; book and MMR vaccine does not come recommended before a year of age anyways, so anybody&#8217;s 11 months old baby is unprotected!!!! So what was this show all about?????)</p>
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		<title>By: Tsoniki Crazy Bull</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tsoniki Crazy Bull</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 03:04:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t consider myself very well educated in the vaccine area - both of my kids had vaccinations when they were babies but didn&#039;t get their boosters or whatever they are called when they got older. Now I am putting them in public school this coming fall and have been told their shots need to be current. I feel like vaccine problems occur when given to babies - that&#039;s just me, I am going to do research on this soon (before any dr appt).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t consider myself very well educated in the vaccine area &#8211; both of my kids had vaccinations when they were babies but didn&#8217;t get their boosters or whatever they are called when they got older. Now I am putting them in public school this coming fall and have been told their shots need to be current. I feel like vaccine problems occur when given to babies &#8211; that&#8217;s just me, I am going to do research on this soon (before any dr appt).</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth</title>
		<link>http://www.naturemoms.com/blog/2009/05/14/the-anger-toward-the-anti-vaccine-movement/comment-page-1/#comment-107279</link>
		<dc:creator>Elizabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 13:46:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>THANK YOU Ashley !!! I&#039;m so glad you posted this - because i&#039;m reading comments above thinking and feeling puzzled about that statement... like well why ?? AHHH you speak my mind girl !! Glad you posted it here. Take Care!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THANK YOU Ashley !!! I&#8217;m so glad you posted this &#8211; because i&#8217;m reading comments above thinking and feeling puzzled about that statement&#8230; like well why ?? AHHH you speak my mind girl !! Glad you posted it here. Take Care!</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elizabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 13:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Elley - greetings my fellow PA resident:) I live in Southeastern PA and while pregnant did a lot of reading and research about vaccines. My son is now 12 months old and i have decided to do Dr. Sears Selective Vaccine Schedule (listed in his book, The Vaccine Book) which gives my son what Dr. Sears viewed as the most critical vaccines. Later, when its time for him to enter kindergarden, we may decide to do a couple more vaccines that aren&#039;t listed on the selective list but maybe not. I just have to go with my gut, and who knows what the status of things will be regarding this issue by the time my son is at that point (in 4 years). 

Before reading the book, i was against ALL vaccines. My husband, before reading the book, WANTED all vaccines. The selective schedule is our compromise. If i was a stay at home mom, i would have really pushed to do none or at least postpone longer on the few we will do but i&#039;m not a stay at home mom. So at 12 months the only shots he&#039;s received thus far are DTAP, HIB, Pc, and Rotavirus. He&#039;s handled them fairly well (at least in reference to short term side effects). Long Term side effects are much harder (if almost impossible) to accurately document - which to me, is a big concern. Example - if my son later develops psorasis (a skin condition), how difficult could that be to pinpoint back to a vaccine he got a few years ago? next to impossible... and no, i&#039;m not saying all psorasis is linked to vaccines just an example... anyway - moving on:) 

About living in PA - we have two excepts. Medical and Religious. With our doctors office, from day one i told them we were setting our own vaccine schedule and i gave them a copy (for our sons chart) of the selective vaccine schedule. and said that when our son was around age 4 1/2 we would revisit some of the other vaccines, and make a final decision then. So i still go there for well baby visits, illnesses that pop up, etc... its obvious they don&#039;t like that we aren&#039;t doing the norm and just going with the usual schedule but - hey, its not their kid and i know they have to give me their little speech about the importance of it, etc. but i nod, and say no thanks. the more educated you are about the issue, the easier it will be to stand your ground and say No Thanks. If i hadn&#039;t done all the research and reading i&#039;ve done, i would have been questioning myself while at the appointments and may have given in - who knows! 

I think the biggest thing was - i had that schedule printed up from the book so i knew what he needed and when. i imagine if you go in and tell them you want to change the vaccine schedule or delay or whatnot, but don&#039;t know how, they will just start a big speech trying to talk you into the norm! but if you have what you want down printed on paper for his chart and tell them this is what you&#039;re doing - then so be it!

So, i say go on to your baby&#039;s checkup at the dr. Firmly state that you&#039;ve decided to make some changes to how you will vaccinate your children. and then tell them what you want. Worst case senario - they won&#039;t treat your children anymore and you go find a new flexible doctor who will. From my experience, and from what my friends have experienced, many doctors won&#039;t agree with what you&#039;re doing and will let you know why - but they respect your wishes and continue to provide you medical services.  No one is going to &quot;come after&quot; you at all ! you will probably be questioned about it but thats to be expected... 

Best of Luck !!! I hope you now have the courage you need to go with your gut, whatever that may be telling you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elley &#8211; greetings my fellow PA resident:) I live in Southeastern PA and while pregnant did a lot of reading and research about vaccines. My son is now 12 months old and i have decided to do Dr. Sears Selective Vaccine Schedule (listed in his book, The Vaccine Book) which gives my son what Dr. Sears viewed as the most critical vaccines. Later, when its time for him to enter kindergarden, we may decide to do a couple more vaccines that aren&#8217;t listed on the selective list but maybe not. I just have to go with my gut, and who knows what the status of things will be regarding this issue by the time my son is at that point (in 4 years). </p>
<p>Before reading the book, i was against ALL vaccines. My husband, before reading the book, WANTED all vaccines. The selective schedule is our compromise. If i was a stay at home mom, i would have really pushed to do none or at least postpone longer on the few we will do but i&#8217;m not a stay at home mom. So at 12 months the only shots he&#8217;s received thus far are DTAP, HIB, Pc, and Rotavirus. He&#8217;s handled them fairly well (at least in reference to short term side effects). Long Term side effects are much harder (if almost impossible) to accurately document &#8211; which to me, is a big concern. Example &#8211; if my son later develops psorasis (a skin condition), how difficult could that be to pinpoint back to a vaccine he got a few years ago? next to impossible&#8230; and no, i&#8217;m not saying all psorasis is linked to vaccines just an example&#8230; anyway &#8211; moving on:) </p>
<p>About living in PA &#8211; we have two excepts. Medical and Religious. With our doctors office, from day one i told them we were setting our own vaccine schedule and i gave them a copy (for our sons chart) of the selective vaccine schedule. and said that when our son was around age 4 1/2 we would revisit some of the other vaccines, and make a final decision then. So i still go there for well baby visits, illnesses that pop up, etc&#8230; its obvious they don&#8217;t like that we aren&#8217;t doing the norm and just going with the usual schedule but &#8211; hey, its not their kid and i know they have to give me their little speech about the importance of it, etc. but i nod, and say no thanks. the more educated you are about the issue, the easier it will be to stand your ground and say No Thanks. If i hadn&#8217;t done all the research and reading i&#8217;ve done, i would have been questioning myself while at the appointments and may have given in &#8211; who knows! </p>
<p>I think the biggest thing was &#8211; i had that schedule printed up from the book so i knew what he needed and when. i imagine if you go in and tell them you want to change the vaccine schedule or delay or whatnot, but don&#8217;t know how, they will just start a big speech trying to talk you into the norm! but if you have what you want down printed on paper for his chart and tell them this is what you&#8217;re doing &#8211; then so be it!</p>
<p>So, i say go on to your baby&#8217;s checkup at the dr. Firmly state that you&#8217;ve decided to make some changes to how you will vaccinate your children. and then tell them what you want. Worst case senario &#8211; they won&#8217;t treat your children anymore and you go find a new flexible doctor who will. From my experience, and from what my friends have experienced, many doctors won&#8217;t agree with what you&#8217;re doing and will let you know why &#8211; but they respect your wishes and continue to provide you medical services.  No one is going to &#8220;come after&#8221; you at all ! you will probably be questioned about it but thats to be expected&#8230; </p>
<p>Best of Luck !!! I hope you now have the courage you need to go with your gut, whatever that may be telling you.</p>
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		<title>By: Tiffany</title>
		<link>http://www.naturemoms.com/blog/2009/05/14/the-anger-toward-the-anti-vaccine-movement/comment-page-1/#comment-106672</link>
		<dc:creator>Tiffany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 23:36:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FBRP, no vaccine is safe for people. Our government knows this and admits it. They require companies to disclose warnings of seizures and death but of course parents never see the vaccine packaging so it does us no good. They have a treasury set up just to pay off victims who get hurt following their public mandates. I submit that YOU and no other member of society has a right to require that I offer up my child as a sacrifice on the alter of public good. There ARE risks therefore it is NEVER for you to decide for me if I accept vaccination. Anything else would be a totalitarian society... a dictatorship. YOU are responsible for your children and I am responsible for mine. Neither of us can rely on the other to do what is OUR job. You need to stay out of my business and I need to stay out of yours. That is how a free society works...unless you like the Nazi idea of domination.

Also the idea that a doctor knows everything medical is nuts. A regular mechanic would never touch a hybrid car. Why? It isn&#039;t their specialty and they have no idea what they are dealing with. You need a certified hybrid mechanic if you have a hybrid. I have never once met a vaccine doctor. I have certainly never spoken to one. A pediatrician who has 1-2 weeks training with vaccines does not make them an expert on vaccines. I have met pediatricians and other doctors who claimed to have almost NO knowledge of vaccines beyond administration techniques. I think that is more common than not. I liken talking to them about this issue to taking my hybrid to a regular mechanic. It would not be wise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FBRP, no vaccine is safe for people. Our government knows this and admits it. They require companies to disclose warnings of seizures and death but of course parents never see the vaccine packaging so it does us no good. They have a treasury set up just to pay off victims who get hurt following their public mandates. I submit that YOU and no other member of society has a right to require that I offer up my child as a sacrifice on the alter of public good. There ARE risks therefore it is NEVER for you to decide for me if I accept vaccination. Anything else would be a totalitarian society&#8230; a dictatorship. YOU are responsible for your children and I am responsible for mine. Neither of us can rely on the other to do what is OUR job. You need to stay out of my business and I need to stay out of yours. That is how a free society works&#8230;unless you like the Nazi idea of domination.</p>
<p>Also the idea that a doctor knows everything medical is nuts. A regular mechanic would never touch a hybrid car. Why? It isn&#8217;t their specialty and they have no idea what they are dealing with. You need a certified hybrid mechanic if you have a hybrid. I have never once met a vaccine doctor. I have certainly never spoken to one. A pediatrician who has 1-2 weeks training with vaccines does not make them an expert on vaccines. I have met pediatricians and other doctors who claimed to have almost NO knowledge of vaccines beyond administration techniques. I think that is more common than not. I liken talking to them about this issue to taking my hybrid to a regular mechanic. It would not be wise.</p>
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		<title>By: Ashley</title>
		<link>http://www.naturemoms.com/blog/2009/05/14/the-anger-toward-the-anti-vaccine-movement/comment-page-1/#comment-106671</link>
		<dc:creator>Ashley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 23:34:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a problem with the people that keep saying they won&#039;t let their vaccinated kids around unvaccinated ones because their vaccinated kids might get sick from them. I thought that the whole purpose of getting vaccinated was to keep from getting the disease you are vaccinating for. So, if my child is vaccinated from say chicken pox then, my child should not get chicken pox from an unvaccinated child. I mean that&#039;s the whole reason you get the vaccination for your child. So, why would you need to separate your child from an unvaccinated one? If your theory on vaccines is correct, then you are getting your child vaccinated to keep your child from getting illnesses. So, unless you really don&#039;t believe that the vaccines protect your child, it shouldn&#039;t be a problem for them to play with an unvaccinated kid. Unless you doubt the vaccines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a problem with the people that keep saying they won&#8217;t let their vaccinated kids around unvaccinated ones because their vaccinated kids might get sick from them. I thought that the whole purpose of getting vaccinated was to keep from getting the disease you are vaccinating for. So, if my child is vaccinated from say chicken pox then, my child should not get chicken pox from an unvaccinated child. I mean that&#8217;s the whole reason you get the vaccination for your child. So, why would you need to separate your child from an unvaccinated one? If your theory on vaccines is correct, then you are getting your child vaccinated to keep your child from getting illnesses. So, unless you really don&#8217;t believe that the vaccines protect your child, it shouldn&#8217;t be a problem for them to play with an unvaccinated kid. Unless you doubt the vaccines.</p>
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		<title>By: Sherrie</title>
		<link>http://www.naturemoms.com/blog/2009/05/14/the-anger-toward-the-anti-vaccine-movement/comment-page-/#comment-106670</link>
		<dc:creator>Sherrie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 23:32:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i was gonna ask the same question!!! seriously if u vaccinated should that take your wory away i mean it is suupose to protect uand give immunity so it shouldnt concern u if someone decides not to.</description>
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